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From: g...@prism.gatech.EDU (BEEBE,GARY E)
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Subject: Shareware UNIX and X
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I am planning on starting do some UNIX/X programming on my home computer.
The machine is a IBM PS/2 Model 70 E61 with an external SCSI drive (IBM adapter
). Could anyone give me some hints as to where I can aquire a shareware (or
low cost) copy of UNIX (preferably System V) and X (preferably X11R4). I
would also need a set of development tools (compiler, linker, debugger ...).
I appreciate any direction and opinions.
Thanks
Gary
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From: jd...@benazir.mit.edu (John Ellithorpe)
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Subject: Re: Shareware UNIX and X
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In article <61...@hydra.gatech.EDU> g...@prism.gatech.EDU (BEEBE,GARY E) writes:
I am planning on starting do some UNIX/X programming on my home computer.
The machine is a IBM PS/2 Model 70 E61 with an external SCSI drive (IBM adapter
). Could anyone give me some hints as to where I can aquire a shareware (or
low cost) copy of UNIX (preferably System V) and X (preferably X11R4). I
would also need a set of development tools (compiler, linker, debugger ...).
I appreciate any direction and opinions.
Thanks
Gary
Well, I think you are in luck. Linix (sp?) is available through anonymous
ftp. I can't remember offhand where, sorry. X11R4 is still available from
export.lcs.mit.edu. I would suggest you get X11R5, but both are available
(R5 is also available in untarred format). At prep.ai.mit.edu, there is
a large amount of GNU software: gcc, g++, gdb, etc. So you can get all the
development tools you want.
An alternative to getting Linix, IBM does have AIX, which is their Unix
with X windows. I don't know how much this costs, or where to get it.
Good luck,
John Ellithorpe
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From: er...@tantalus.dell.com (Eric Youngdale)
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Subject: Re: Shareware UNIX and X
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In article <JDELL.92J...@benazir.mit.edu> jd...@benazir.mit.edu (John Ellithorpe)
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>In article <61...@hydra.gatech.EDU> g...@prism.gatech.EDU (BEEBE,GARY E) writes:
> I am planning on starting do some UNIX/X programming on my home computer.
> The machine is a IBM PS/2 Model 70 E61 with an external SCSI drive (IBM adapter
> ). Could anyone give me some hints as to where I can aquire a shareware (or
> low cost) copy of UNIX (preferably System V) and X (preferably X11R4). I
>
>Well, I think you are in luck. Linix (sp?) is available through anonymous
>ftp. I can't remember offhand where, sorry. X11R4 is still available from
Linux is available from tsx-11.mit.edu and banjo.concert.net (among
others). There is X11r5 available for linux, and you do not need to build it
from scratch (i.e. there are precompiled binaries).
The *one* big fly in the ointment is that I have doubts as to whether
linux works with the PS/2 style of disk controller. The IBM SCSI is probably
not on the list of supported hardware yet either.
-Eric
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Subject: Re: Shareware UNIX and X
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Does Linux do TCP/IP? or must the X11R5 server/client pair both be on the same
machine.
How large is the source? The executable?
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From: torv...@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Benedict Torvalds)
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In article <brandon....@gaia.msfc.nasa.gov> bra...@gaia.msfc.nasa.gov
(Brandon S. Dewberry) writes:
> Does Linux do TCP/IP? or must the X11R5 server/client pair both be on
> the same machine.
Currently the linux kernel does not support TCP/IP: there is a ka9q that
handles it in user space, and people are working on a kernel solution,
but as of now, both the X-server and clients have to run on the same
machine. I don't have a network, so I cannot say when it will be ready:
it will have to be written by others.
>How large is the source? The executable?
The full linux source is a 350kB compressed tar-file: size gives the
following for the standard kernel executable:
text data bss dec hex
192512 32768 58344 283624 453e8
That contains all the normal scsi-drivers and the math-emulator: by
pruning those away you can save some space. Note that although the
kernel is small, it wants /at least/ 2MB or ram to run, and 4MB is a
good idea (otherwise gcc is pretty slow). With X, 8MB keeps you from
swapping too heavily (but I have had reports of people trying out X on a
2MB 386SX machine, although it wasn't too fast and swapped constantly.)
Apart from the non-networking, linux is indeed a "real" unix - it's
still officially in beta-test (I expect 1.0 to be out in time for the
fall semester), but it's almost 100% posix compliant and most real
programs run under it (X11, GNU emacs, gcc-2.2.2, gdb4.5, TeX etc). And
as it comes with source, you can have a lot of fun changing the kernel
to suit yourself. It's more work to set up than unices you can buy off
the shelf, but what do you expect from a kernel written by a hacker?
Linus