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Subject: File manager tree.
X-Windows: Power tools for power losers.
Hello guys,
So I fixed the bug people were reporting with the file manager tree
for displaying incorrect data. But this is not an optimal solution.
The problem is as follows:
1. The Windows-like feature of the tree in the file manager is
that you get a little square next to each directory which
can be empty for directories that do not contain any
subdirectories or a box with a plus sign, if the directory
contains subdirectories.
If you have a plus sign ([+]) and click on it, it converts
to a [-] icon and opens the tree.
This is a nice feature.
2. Slow file systems are all over the place in Unix. They
appear on the most unusual places: special directories might
refer to remote servers (afs, dfs), arbitrary locations can
be slow (NFS /users), or special vfs places (/#smb/ for
server listings).
The big problem here is that in order to achieve (1) you need to
do a 2-level scan of the directories: one pass to scan all the names
returned and stat the thing to figure out if the name is a directory,
or if it is a file (ie, if it is a subdirectory, we need to scan the
child to see if it has directories, in that case, we need to stick a
[+] sign there).
So, I would like to get rid of nice-feature-on-point-1. It is
nice, yes, but it makes all sorts of people upset because they can not
use the file manager on their systems.
Is there any objections to me removing the [+] feature from the
file manager?
Miguel.
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From: James Henstridge <james@daa.com.au>
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Subject: Re: File manager tree.
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In explorer under windows, you will find that it puts a [+] sign next to
every directory on networked filesystems. It only checks to see if it was
appropriate to have it there when you try clicking on the expander (that
is, if there were no subdirectories then the [+] sign disapears).
For slow filesystems/large directories, this can make quite a difference.
So even explorer makes this sort of optimisations.
James.
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On Fri, 28 May 1999, Miguel de Icaza wrote:
>
> Hello guys,
>
> So I fixed the bug people were reporting with the file manager tree
> for displaying incorrect data. But this is not an optimal solution.
>
> The problem is as follows:
>
> 1. The Windows-like feature of the tree in the file manager is
> that you get a little square next to each directory which
> can be empty for directories that do not contain any
> subdirectories or a box with a plus sign, if the directory
> contains subdirectories.
>
> If you have a plus sign ([+]) and click on it, it converts
> to a [-] icon and opens the tree.
>
> This is a nice feature.
>
> 2. Slow file systems are all over the place in Unix. They
> appear on the most unusual places: special directories might
> refer to remote servers (afs, dfs), arbitrary locations can
> be slow (NFS /users), or special vfs places (/#smb/ for
> server listings).
>
> The big problem here is that in order to achieve (1) you need to
> do a 2-level scan of the directories: one pass to scan all the names
> returned and stat the thing to figure out if the name is a directory,
> or if it is a file (ie, if it is a subdirectory, we need to scan the
> child to see if it has directories, in that case, we need to stick a
> [+] sign there).
>
> So, I would like to get rid of nice-feature-on-point-1. It is
> nice, yes, but it makes all sorts of people upset because they can not
> use the file manager on their systems.
>
> Is there any objections to me removing the [+] feature from the
> file manager?
>
> Miguel.
>
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(message from Tuomas Kuosmanen on Sat, 29 May 1999 02:07:18 +0300
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Subject: Re: File manager tree.
X-Windows: Garbage at your fingertips.
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Hello Tig,
> * We need the trashcan - if one wants to have a point-click
> desktop, I strongly believe the people at Apple are way smarter
> than the guys at Redmond. Lets do the Right Thing :)
Federico is (last I checked) working on integrating our nice
DII_OBJECT branch into HEAD. This means we will finally have a
trashcan.
We can indeed make the toolbar optional. I will think about it. It
is more of a matter of time, rather than an arbitrary decision to not
support it.
So, I would like your input on how we can improve the file manager to
make it better.
Now, that being said, my plans are to start doing pieces of code that
can be reused off-the-shelf for the new file manager Ettore is
designing/writing.
Cheers,
Miguel.
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(message from James Henstridge on Sat, 29 May 1999 09:05:42 +0800
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Subject: Re: File manager tree.
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> In explorer under windows, you will find that it puts a [+] sign next to
> every directory on networked filesystems. It only checks to see if it was
> appropriate to have it there when you try clicking on the expander (that
> is, if there were no subdirectories then the [+] sign disapears).
>
> For slow filesystems/large directories, this can make quite a difference.
> So even explorer makes this sort of optimisations.
Ok, I think I can do this for a number of operating systems, but
getting the code right for every OS is going to be hard. This is one
of those things that varies from unix implementation to the other.
Check mc/src/mountlist.c to get an idea of what I am talking about.
miguel.
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I am using the GMC which comes with the default RedHat 6.0 install. I
really like it for configurability and speed. I read a thread on this
mailing list that seemed to be discussing solicited requests for new GMC
features. I have a few that might be worthwhile:
1) Are there plans to add a bookmark feature to GMC (e.g. like the one
in the KDE File
Manager)?
2) It would be nice if there where a single button (say, next ot the
button to turn
on Custom view) to toggle viewing of dot files on/off.
3) It would be nice to have a Mac view like the one used by the Mac file
manager. This
has already been implemented in other Linux Filemanagers (F lightweight
filemanager:
http://www.maybe.net/f/ --using GTK and wmfinder:
http://www.imago.ro/wmfinder/ --using QT).
4) It would be nice if in icon view the icons could be moved to
different positions in the
window and they would stay there. This can be useful, for instance, if
a large number of files are
being printed. Move icons for the already printed files to the left
side of the filemanager
window and leave the unprinted ones on the righthand side. It would
also be nice if positions were
preserved between opening and closing of the file manager window.
5) It would also be useful to have a small icons view that behaved just
like the current icons
view, but used small icons.
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hello
some bugs i found:
1. When I click on the minus on the root ([-]/) to close the tree, gmc
rescans the complete directory tree,
and chrashes (closes?)(not every time, but sometimes).No core dump,
only:
Done gmc.
When I double click on the folder icon it works.
I have gmc 4.5.30, gnome-core 1.0.5, gnome-libs 1.0.9 (SuSe 6.0).
2. When I open the preferences window( edit->preferences... ) the
desktop icons
are not available( you can't click them).
if this is fixed in later or cvs versions, please let me know...
some wishes:
1. A thumbnail image view, like in gqview.
2. Show MIME type and description of the selected file in the status
bar.
3. A location bar with a drop down, and perhaps a menu(optional) with a
file system structure and bookmarks like the disk navigator in KDE.
4. Configurable toolbars and menus.
PS: I don't think integrating the web with a file manager is the right
way.
A web browser is a web browser and a file manager is a file manager.
Not more, not less. And the file manager in Windoze is really a
joke.
bye, bye
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From: Miguel de Icaza <miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx>
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> 1) Are there plans to add a bookmark feature to GMC (e.g. like the one
> in the KDE File
> Manager)?
Sigh. This feature is actually implemented, but it was dropped during
the menu reorganization.
Miguel.
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