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From: Miguel de Icaza <miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx>
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X-FileLength: are infinite where infinity is set to 255 characters


   I just looked at the just commited Gnome Help program in the CVS
repository.  It is an impressive piece of work from Red Hat labs (Mike
and Marc), we have been drooling at the user interface for some
minutes now.

   One extra reason to go check out that gnome-libs and gnome-core
packages from the CVS.

   Congratulations!

Best wishes,
Miguel.

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From: Federico Mena <federico@nuclecu.unam.mx>
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Subject: About the Gnome Help browser

Guys, we have a beautiful help browser now!

I just looked at the new Gnome help browser by Marc and Mike, and I
must say it kicks ass.  Now we have no excuse not to write proper
documentation for the Gnome programs :-)

Congrats to the RHAD team!

  Quartic

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Federico Mena <federico@nuclecu.unam.mx> writes:
> Guys, we have a beautiful help browser now!
> 
> I just looked at the new Gnome help browser by Marc and Mike, and I
> must say it kicks ass.  Now we have no excuse not to write proper
> documentation for the Gnome programs :-)
> 
> Congrats to the RHAD team!

Thanks very much :-).  And of course thanks to Federico and Miguel
for the GtkXmHTML widget!

I just wanted to mention that the gnome-help stuff is still very much
a work in progress, and we will be hacking at it heavily for some
time still.  We have not gotten around to defining the URL/URI
"standard" for things like "man:ls" and so forth, there is plenty
to be done vis-a-vis DocBook, etc.  What we have been doing is building
up all the different components for the help system (and, incidentally,
a web browser :-) and you'll see things take shape over the next week.

If you have any comments please do pass them on!

-Marc

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From: Miguel de Icaza <miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx>
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X-Windows: It could be worse, but it'll take time.


> Thanks very much :-).  And of course thanks to Federico and Miguel
> for the GtkXmHTML widget!

Koen D'Hondt (ripley@xs4all.nl) needs to get the credit for his
wonderful HTML engine, we just did a global search and replace
s/Xm/Gtk/ on the code :-)

> I just wanted to mention that the gnome-help stuff is still very much
> a work in progress, and we will be hacking at it heavily for some
> time still.  We have not gotten around to defining the URL/URI
> "standard" for things like "man:ls" and so forth, there is plenty
> to be done vis-a-vis DocBook, etc.  



> What we have been doing is building
> up all the different components for the help system (and, incidentally,
> a web browser :-) and you'll see things take shape over the next week.
> 
> If you have any comments please do pass them on!

Ok, you asked for them :-):

	1. An input line where I could type in an URL for looking it
	   up quickly.

	2. we need a configurator dialog box for GtkXhHTML widgets.
	   To let users choose their setup.  Probably I will write
	   this some day after the file manager is done (this can be
	   used by all of the gnome apps, probably a separate
	   configurator program can be used). 
	
	3. I would like to be able to type in URLs as available on the
	   KDE help system: examples: "info:(emacs)", "man:read(2)".
	   I do not care if this is not perfectly consistent with some
	   standard.  
	
	   In this case, I believe it is more important to make life
	   easier to the user and not force him to type in a man page
	   like this:

		file:/usr/X11R6/man/man5/TestX.5x

	   Note also that Gtk/XmHTML already parses the URL and
	   already recognizes the info: and man: special urls. 

cheers,
Miguel.

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From: Marc Ewing <marc@redhat.com>

Miguel de Icaza <miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx> writes:
> Ok, you asked for them :-):
> 
> 	1. An input line where I could type in an URL for looking it
> 	   up quickly.

This is on the TODO (of course, the TODO is called README, so you
didn't see this :-).

> 	3. I would like to be able to type in URLs as available on the
> 	   KDE help system: examples: "info:(emacs)", "man:read(2)".
> 	   I do not care if this is not perfectly consistent with some
> 	   standard.  

This too.  If anyone has any thoughts about these URLs we'd love
to hear them.

> 	   In this case, I believe it is more important to make life
> 	   easier to the user and not force him to type in a man page
> 	   like this:
> 
> 		file:/usr/X11R6/man/man5/TestX.5x

Definitely.

> 	   Note also that Gtk/XmHTML already parses the URL and
> 	   already recognizes the info: and man: special urls. 

I'm not sure we'll ever use that feature of GtkXmHTML.  I'll check
it out, but we have a system that is quite extensible and we'll
probably stick to that for a while.

-Marc